Referendum #450
Treasury #693

Project Glove: Introducing Capital Efficiency and Pseudo-Anonymity on top of OpenGov

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What happens in cases where a proposal is made that deliberately violates the law in some way? When there is a question of guilt/liability it may become important to know which accounts have voted which way. Project Glove obscures that information possibly casting doubts on good actors while emboldening bad actors who are now less likely to have their account associated with the violation.

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Thank you for this thoughtful question!

Project Glove does not obscure the identity of a wallet any more or less than Polkadot does, it only obscures voting directions and amounts, and it only obscures that from the public, not from the gov proxy operator.

Establishing terms of use covering the scenarios you mention or limiting liability associated with the voting behavior of Glove participants is a decision that is likely to be taken on an operator-by-operator basis.

Some may insist on a terms of use, whereas others may not, depending on a number of factors such as jurisdiction, risk appetite and general preferences.

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Hi,

Thanks for the proposal. My vote remains nay, and here are my thoughts:

— "Capital inefficiency" in voting is by design. I think we can also call it "the price the voter has to pay" to influence the network in their desired direction. For instance, in your first example, the nay voter initially votes with 100 DOT @ 4x, and if the outcome is nay then they end up locking 2 DOT @ 2x. I don't find it fair. Although an interesting idea and it could be a worthy experiment, I don't think it should be supported by the treasury at this point at a 700K USD price tag.

— I don't think low governance participation is solely due to capital inefficiency and possibility of being doxxed. These are just two of a myriad of reasons.

— I can see from your comments that the team has delivered a grant and been active in the field, but as far as I can see you have not delivered a Kusama or Polkadot treasury grant yet. Plus, the two of the GitHub accounts you shared (noah-foltz and hoco-gov) are almost completely blank, and the third one (roger-that-dev), although more active, does not seem to have any Substrate-related activity. These combined do not present enough credibility to me for an ask of 700K USD.

I find the privacy voting an interesting topic, yet I think that it should only be a small scale experiment with a PoC, again, with a much less budget than 700K USD.

To close, I think an initial PoC work awarded a 50-to-100K USD grant by the Kusama treasury could be a reasonable start for this project.

Thanks and good luck,
kukabi | Helikon

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