JAM0 @ sub0/Devcon 7 @ Bangkok - November 9-16, 2024

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56.66MDOT
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Yeapp!!! This is the sort of stuff treasury should fund.

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What is the ideal outcome for this JAM socialization? Devcon is a cybersecurity conference where no blockchain products ever get introduced or socialized, the culture and objectives at Devcon differ significantly to what Polkadot offers at the moment and in the future with JAM. We really have a hard time visualizing a positive outcome on presentations on this event other than the cool/wow factor of having socialized pre-release JAM at the best cyber conference. We also don't see how impactful this introduction can be when the JAM protocol itself will take significant time and effort to completion.

We will be voting NAY unless some very clear points about the potential positive outcomes have been presented.

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Yes, clarification made sense. We'll recast our vote accordingly soon.

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Lucky Friday would like to provide the following feedback from our team members. We have been specifically solicited to provide feedback on this particular referendum, collectively offering it and hope that it will help the proposer(s) of this referendum moving forward. Unfortunately, we collectively voted NAY.

While we certainly applaud Colorful Notion for taking the initiative in trying to deliver a JAM based meetup to discuss these ideas with a broader Ethereum crowd, we believe it may be too early in JAM's development life cycle to have any meaningful conversations. There are no working iterations of the JAM implementation, and very few talented developers from the Polkadot ecosystem can even explain what JAM is and how it will work beyond a few catch phrases from the grey paper.

Moreover, Colorful Notion has received more DOT than many other teams working in the Polkadot ecosystem, and not once has that overage been returned to the treasury despite posting up-front costs in USD terms. We believe that if this team would like to host this JAM meetup it should be done out of their own largesse to help defray the cost of attendance of smaller teams with limited funding. And even if the broader community does support the proposal (which it seems to be doing at the current time), we also think that any missing funds should be paid out by the CN team, mainly based on comments that came from Sourabh on AAG during episode 153.

Lucky Friday votes as a collective based on the results of our internal voting procedures and enacted on chain via the OpenGov server bot. No single team member is required to provide any feedback about why he or she has voted in a particular direction, although it is highly encouraged and happens often. With respect to our team members' right to anonymity and the private format in which we conduct our votes, we will not be sharing the names of individuals who have chosen to provide said feedback.

We encourage all members of the Polkadot community to join our OpenGov Public Forum on Telegram, and we respectfully ask that all proponents of referenda interact with us here for the sake of transparency: https://t.me/+559tyPSfmGg0NzUx

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Can you expand on the identities of these 15 teams and the +30 people (According to AAG's segment). In the current day of sockpuppets reaching places, we are going to start to ask for deeper clarifications about the identities of the teams and entities that are going to be the beneficiaries of OpenGov funds.

We can see that
Acala/Laminar with Swift, Zondax with Julia, Chainsafe, Colorful Notion are known. But the other's identities are more fuzzy. Jam4s' team with their implementation in Scala also seems legit. Oliver from Greymatter seems to have commented here so we can track his identity despite the lack of info on the Jam site.

But for instance these and other teams require more clarifications about their identities:
Tessera https://jamcha.in/clients/13
refers to an email to a chainscore.finance domain whose website (or landing page) doesn't exist
https://www.chainscore.finance/
https://chainscore.finance/
Jam With Zig has no information
https://jamcha.in/clients/14
Vinwolf has no information
https://jamcha.in/clients/15

All these can be seen from the list of implementations as well as the links provided by the proposer and other people.
https://jamcha.in/clients

We would like to know invite all the teams who are going to be the beneficiaries of this trip to introduce themselves so that OpenGov gets to meet you. We would also like for DVs to start inquiring a bit more about the teams identities not only on this but on all the other proposals.

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Hi everyone,

It's Charles-Edouard Ladari (celadari) from the Jam4s team. Our team is really enthusiastic about meeting and connecting our JAM implementations at Devcon7.

At least two of our team members will attend the event in person:

  • Charles-Edouard LADARI
  • Sergei ASTAPOV

Two other members (Ivan SUBOTIC and Thomas LIU) are uncertain about attending physically, but they will at least be working remotely with us.

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Hi! Im Bernar, from Vinwolf team. We are pleased to introduce ourselves as a team of which we are currently two people:

  • Bernardo Lopez Panadero (embedded systems engineer)
  • Cristina Gomez Martinez (AI engineer)
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Block Cowboys respectfully shares team information
S. Bailey (Security Practitioner, TEE/Trustzone/Embedded, Fintech, Aerospace)
J. Jimenez (Mathematician, Engineer)
M. Jimenez (Mathematician, Engineer)
L. Jefferson, (Finance)

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Hi there! I am coordinating the Jamixir team, a JAM implementation in Elixir. Most devs are from PBA4 Hong Kong. As for now, we are 2 full-time devs (Telegram : danicuki, luki2024) and 11 part time contributors (Telegram: luka9961, wario_mx, kentydotcom, noahjoeris, xyz_serge, victorsalomon, JohanDroid, ganeshOli1, christiannifty, Wojciech_Wozniak, vjgaur). Some team members already live in Thailand.

Team Telegram.

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